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In order to make sure that we all feel successful as a guild, we are organizing our weekend Kara raids into two categories. Our Saturday raids will have more experience players who have plenty of practice with Kara, and know that they can successfully clear it. Our requested (unbuffed) minimums for the Saturday raid are (spoiled to save space):

[spoil]Tanks:
Warriors & Paladins:
Defense: 490
Armor: 15k
Health: 14K
Dodge, Parry, and Block % should be as high as possible
Spell Damage (Pal only): 200ish

Bear Druids:
Defense: 415 and Survival of the Fittest talent
Armor: 25,000
Health: 16,000
Dodge: 25%
AP: 1100
Crit chance: 20%

Healers:
Tree Druids
Mana: 8500
Healing: 1400
Mana regen while casting: 120 MP5

Holy Paladins
Healing: 1500
Mana regen while casting: 80 MP5
Spell Crit: 15%

Healing Priests
Mana: 8500
Healing: 1600
Mana regen while casting: 130 MP5

Restoration Shamans
Mana: 9500
Healing: 1400
Mana regen while casting: 120 MP5

DPS:
Cat Druids
AP: 2500
Crit chance: 25%

Balance Druids
Spell damage: 750
Spell Hit: 9%
Spell Crit:18%

Hunters
AP: 1900
Hit: 8%
Crit Chance: 20%

Mages
Spell Damage (in your school): 800
Spell Hit: 9%
Spell Crit: 20%

Shadow Priests
Mana: 7500 Mana
Spell Damage: 900
Spell Hit: 8%

Rogues
AP: 1500
Hit: 9%
Crit: 20%

Elemental Shamans
Mana: 9000
Spell Damage: 800
Spell Crit: 18%

Enhancement Shamans
AP: 1300
Crit Chance: 20%
Hit: 9%

Warlocks
Spell Damage: 850
Spell Hit: 9%

Arms Warriors
AP: 1600
Hit: 5%
Crit Chance: 30%

Fury Warriors
AP:1700
Hit: 12%
Crit Chance: 25% [/spoil]


The Sunday raid will be more focused on learning Kara to create another group of experienced players. We won't exclude people from either run, but would like it if you don't meet the requirements that you try to attend the Sunday run. Our requested (unbuffed) minimums for the Sunday raid are (spoiled to save space):

[spoil]Tanks:
Warriors & Paladins:
Defense: 490
Armor: 11k
Health: 10.5k
Dodge, Parry, and Block % should be as high as possible

Bear Druids:
Defense: 415 and 3/3 Survival of the Fittest talent
Armor: 20,000
Health: 12,000
Dodge: 20%
AP: 1,000
Crit chance: 20%


Healers:
Tree Druids
Mana: 7500 mana
Healing: 1000
Mana regen while casting: 90 MP5

Holy Paladins
Healing: 1100
Mana regen while casting: 80 MP5
Spell Crit: 12%

Healing Priests
Mana: 7500 Mana
Healing: 1100
Mana regen while casting: 100 MP5

Restoration Shamans
Mana: 8500
Healing: 1100
Mana regen while casting: 90 MP5


DPS:
Cat Druids:
AP: 1800
Crit chance: 20%

Balance Druids
Spell damage: 500
Spell Hit: 6%
Spell Crit: 15%

Hunters
AP: 1500
Hit: 5%
Crit Chance: 15%

Mages
Spell Damage (in your school): around 600
Spell Hit: 6%
Spell Crit: 20%

Shadow Priests
Mana: 7500
Spell Damage: 650
Spell Hit: 6%

Rogues
AP: 1300
Hit: 6%
Crit: 15%
Early Kara: Your hit rating and crit chance rating combined should be around 10%

Elemental Shamans
Mana: 8000
Spell Damage: 500
Spell Crit: 15%

Enhancement Shamans
AP: 1100
Crit Chance: 15%
Hit: 6%

Warlocks
Spell Damage: 550
Spell Hit: 5%

Arms Warriors
AP: 1100
Hit: 3%
Crit Chance: 25%

Fury Warriors
AP: 1400
Hit: 10%
Crit Chance: 20%[/spoil]


We are also still trying to keep the number of pugs down to three for each run.

As always, you input is taken into consideration for how the guild is run so feel free to leave your feed back.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get the bear tank guidelines from?

So random forum post. These are guidelines, and I haven't don the research to verify them. I know that bears need more HP than the other tanks because bears have no way of becoming immune to crushing blows. I'm not sure on the armor value thing either. If you have suggestions for changing them, I will.

25k armor and 16k hp is just a little high, is all. I recognize that they're guidelines, but if I had 25k/16k on Treassa, I wouldn't be taking her through Kara, I'd have her benched and I'd be working on an alt.

The first set of stats that Cleon put up are for the more experienced players for the badge runs. Those stats are to ensure that every fight is pwnd, just so we can get badges, not loots. In that, the bear tank stats are there assuming that you will be main tanking everything. I am assuming if you are comfortable with off-tanking, then you wouldn't need to gear up to the same standards.

Yeah, I figured as much when Cleon mentioned crushing blows. It's not that big of a deal, really.

I've based a couple of future builds in Warcrafter off of gear recommendations from feral druid blogs like Of Teeth and Claws, Big Bear Butt, Ferocious Bite, Moar HP Than Jesus, etc. and what I'm looking at after running Kara several more times is around 22k/14k. That's assuming I don't replace my Clefthoof armor with PvP gear like a lot of people do. One of those guys (I don't remember which) is tanking bosses at Serpentshrine Cavern with 24k HP.

Of course, then again Big Bear Butt is off-tanking ZA at 30k/17k, so whatevs.

Yeah, the biggest issue is with Prince. He can cut you down damn quick if you don't have the HP. One time, he hit Cleon for about 5K, four times in a row in about .7 secs (That would be two crushing blows, me getting parried thus reseting his swing timer, and getting two more crushing blows). Getting your expertise higher will help against Prince, too.